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Joe Canimal's avatar

Excellent article. Any depolarization depends on common knowledge of material facts. A corollary: people should decline comment when they don't know the material facts, and should be pilloried if they comment anyway.

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Newport smoker's avatar

Trump as a radical centrist really isn’t as crazy as it sounds

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Desiderius's avatar

He’s not even radical.

He’s basically Gephardt.

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Desiderius's avatar

“It's even stranger when you recognize that the government and social psychologists actively encourage people to embrace supremacist convictions about their groups”

*other* people

Deracination is the key to the unruling class. They re-racinate everyone else to cut down on the competition.

Understand the game.

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Second City Bureaucrat's avatar

Well they don't re-racinate melting pot American whites. But everyone else, yes.

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Desiderius's avatar

Uh, what do you think the “white supremacist” hysteria is about? They sure as hell are!

Watch the reaction of Nordlinger and French to DeSantis (re)shipping a couple immigrants to Martha’s Vineyard. They have paying gigs because there are people with a lot of money and power who *need* to believe it.

Their entire rationalization for their outsized power (sure isn’t competence let aline merit or excellence) is their unique neutrality among the peoples *unlike other whites*. That’s why they’re so desperate to see racism under every rock.

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Desiderius's avatar

Watch the move “Harvard Beats Yale 29/29” to see where the war on melting-pot whites got its start.

“White people have no culture” is an epithet against the ruling class whose Profane Right to rule is the extent to which they’ve cut themselves off from their own culture, history, and people.

Tolkien saw what that led to in the trenches of WWI and so set about (re-)creating a mythos that would re-connect the Anglo-Saxon with his lost ethnicity (and much else).

See PEG’s insightful commentary. Which explains why zog’s blowing a billion trying to turn it all into “Skyrim is for the Nords!”

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Desiderius's avatar

Do you think that Haidt et al think this sort of thing is “fair and balanced” or just all he can get away with? Is the entire Unruling Class just oblivious to the existence of MAGA altogether?

Never thought the lacunae could get this large.

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Second City Bureaucrat's avatar

That's part of it. The other part is that MAGA has been intentionally demoralized into paranoid negativity, so it's probably difficult to find actual MAGA participants who feel open and optimistic enough to contribute..

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Desiderius's avatar

Julie Kelly is not particularly shy. Has anyone asked Hans Mancke, for instance, who isn't even that big on Trump but at least has a command of the facts?

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MEGA's avatar

Well done

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Desiderius's avatar

Re: your twitter musings:

The True, Good, And Beautiful are a package deal so competence (Pirsig's quality?), morality, and aesthetics are as well.

ὁμοούσιος, not ὁμοιούσιος

For example:

"Bottom surgery" is:

(1) a euphemism (not true)

(2) evil (not moral)

(3) ugly as sin (to all five senses)

https://youtu.be/10PG8VZiZaQ

Likewise, content-free morality isn't a thing. The Word become Flesh. America is a Protestant country with a tendency to tilt to the Platonic but the Broad Shoulders of our Second City that always keep us moving forward are those of Aquinas, and thus Aristotle.

A couple classic texts of the Civil Religion for you to consider as you mull such matters:

https://www.goodreads.com/en/book/show/77959

https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/43595/morality

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